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If you are knowledgeable in the topic, consider giving the guru Sri sonti venkata ramannaya's page some info and citations. He deserves more recognition. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamtheone21 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Title

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Tyagaraja is popularly referred as Saint Tyagaraja. Saint is not limited to Christian tradition. I wonder why the heading is changed.

rams81 (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biography assessment rating comment

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Place of Birth!

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Is it Thiruvarur or Thiruvaiyar? Could someone please check? Nattu 00:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's Thiruvarur.

Why "Saint"? Why not "Sri"? Last I heard, "Saint" was a title given by the Pope. I'm changing it to "Sri" forthwith; please mention any objections here before reverting. Ambarish 08:59, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Saint is not a title confined to conferement by Pope. Nattu 00:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any comments on the form of Telugu used by Tyagaraja? - Srikanth

Sri is a title given to contemprory persons, who have specialised in their fields and hence achieved recognition.
Whereas "Saint" is a title given to people who have "Realised" God or felt that Supreme Reality. I am sorry to state that your point in stating that "Saint" has to do with Christian Religion is very disapponting. If you have listened to [AIR]'s National Programme of music, the announcers say like this "... you were listening to the composition of Saint Thyagaraja......" Not Sri Tyagraja.
Moreover, changing it to Sri is belittling his achievements and his sainthood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramananrv123 (talk • contribs)

Tya?

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Why spelled as 'Tya'? Should it not be Thya?.

Yes, why no Thya? Does it not confuse with T as in Tin?. I know Th is use for aspirated sound, but that is better than 'Tin' sound. --192.193.171.152 (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC) Kumar[reply]

Me too..Its odd..I think the standard spelling used in all publications use "THYAGARAJA".... can give some support links or evidences..but i dont suppose anywone would disagree.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.222.165.65 (talk) 15:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The song, praising the beauty of Kerala

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Can anyone tell me which was the song composed by tyagaraja on his return from kerala. I've heard like its a song, praising the beauty of kerala.


Denin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.160.53 (talk) 13:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing reference

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The article should mention Purandaradasa who is regarded as the founder of Carnatic music. The conspicuous omission of his name is rather puzzling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antinatter (talk • contribs) 14:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


S.R.Aniruddha (talk) 16:49, 2 January 2012 (UTC)PLEASE READ:- Purandaradasa is not the founder of Carnatic music, Tyagaraja, Mutthuswami Dikshitar and Shama Shastry are the thrimurthis who were the founders of Carnatic music. Purandaradasa was the founder of music in KARNATKA, not the founder of Carnatic music.:)[reply]

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Wikipedia is not a search engine, portal or repository. Encyclopaedic content is what should be in here. In this context, YouTube videos do not seem to be appropriate to include. Moreover, for each song, there are 1000s of renditions. Why should one be chosen specially over others in the context of Encyclopedia? I propose that all audio links be removed from this and other similar pages. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 05:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Tyagaraja's Birthplace

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It is well known that Tyagaraja was born in Thiruvarur. In fact, the three major composers of carnatic music of that time (called the trimurthi of carnatic music) were all born in the same place. But someone is insisting on vandalizing this page by putting in some other place, perhaps for some parochial reasons. I think it throws into doubt all the other great information on this page that many have worked so hard to present. Please keep a look out for vandalism of this sort.

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Tyaagaraja wiki

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Tyaagaraja is a telugu poet and saint, his name should also be mentioned in Telugu, please don’t remove it. Skanth0000 (talk) 02:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, It is added already under Native name section in Telugu. Read wiki policies aggi007(talk) 06:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Last composition

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@Shaqti91: What's your source for this edit? See also the recent edit by 117.216.250.136.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 14:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Error in Composer's birthplace

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Note: this post is copied from the Teahouse

BIRTH PLACE OF A COMPOSER your article on THIAGARAJA,THE COMPOSER IN tAMILNADU,iNDIA SAYS HE WASBORN AND LIVED IN THIRUVARUR THIS IS NOT CORRECT HE LIVED IN THIRUVAIARU HOPE YOU CORRECT THE ERROR SINCERELY G.SOUNDARARAJAN PH.D 2600:1700:3A20:7200:29A8:7A18:51EE:5FBD (talk) 21:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Please dont write in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Its considered yelling) Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Copied from Teahouse) Note: I have taken a look and the post above appears correct. However, fixing the article is not as straightforward as it might seem at first blush, because after looking at some of the sources, it appears the confusion also taints some of them. (I will post to the talk page, and possibly at an appropriate Wikiproject)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm wrong above. The source I thought contradicted his birthplace (the one cited in the infobox) actually says he was born in Tiruvarur, but also mentions Thiruvaiyaru (which is part if the title of the page, and is apparently where he died and where a music festival is held in his honor). Very confusing to an outsider. I'll let someone else sort this out.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source given in the infobox implies that he was born in Thanjavur, which is also the general belief in the community. I have changed the infobox accordingly, and will leave it to the regular editors of this page to sort out the body. I think it might not be precisely known where he was born, but there seem to be various theories floating about. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the pancha bhuta worship (puja) within the pancha ratna kritis - propitiating the deity who exists in all five elements - sakala bhuta mula nivE yundagA

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The Source of this pancha bhuta worship is found within the Words of the 5 composition/s.

"sakala bhUta mula nivE yundagA" - found in the duduku gala kriti translates to "(the deity) who exists in ALL the bhUta"

sakala = ALL (Sanskrit word used in many Indian languages) bhUta - element (Sanskrit word used in many Indian languages)

bhUta are the 5 fundamental elements - already described succinctly in the text added.

Each kriti is an OFFERING to each bhUta by the composer/worshipper to this deity who exists in these five elements.

Accordingly the Source for the 5 elements is found within the words of the 5 compositions.

samira, Apa, ambara, Arka and bhU are ICONIC words for the 5 elements.

Their appearance in the 5 kritis in conjunction with the "sakala bhUta" reference is enormously significant.

The Spiritual content of the compositions has been eroded over the decades in preference for the Musical content.

This spiritual content lies in the words and ideas expressed by the words. The content is discovered only by reading the words used in the kritis.

The pancha ratna kritis are an offering to a deity, with each kriti propitiating a particular bhUta/element.

The source of this finding is the tyagarajas own words. NadOpAsaka (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Tyagaraja is not the source of the information that this was discovered in 2023. Moreover, if it took till 2023 for someone to figure out that the parcha bhuta are in there, then it can't be its own source for that information because if it were obvious just from reading it then it wouldn't have to have been "discovered". So you need a source identifying them within it, not just your own assertion. Largoplazo (talk) 11:48, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In 2023, I read and understood V. Raghavans important text "The Spiritual Heritage of Tyagaraja" which gives a reference to the 5 elements in another important tyagaraja kriti "dwaitamu sukhamA"....see page 473 of this textbook available on the Internet.
This specific reference to the 5 elements allowed me to ask (and answer) why these 5 kritis grouped as pancha ratna.
The relationship of the pancha ratna (kritis) to the pancha bhuta became clear, when I observed the usage of specific, iconic words for each element embedded in the 5 kritis.
The worship of the tyagaraja (the composer), is with words inextricable from their melody.
The music does NOT exist without the words. And the words give the clue to the intent of the composer, which is his spiritual legacy.
In the case of the pancha ratna, it is the pancha bhUta that is being propitiated.
If Wikipedia is to be a repository of useful information on tyagaraja, it must highlight this aspect....especially since an entire copious section is being devoted to the pancha ratna compositions. NadOpAsaka (talk) 12:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying you "discovered" this. See Wikipedia's policy on original research: it isn't allowed. Wikipedia is a repository of information substantiated by reliable sources, not of editors' own interpretations. Largoplazo (talk) 20:19, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@NadOpAsaka Breaking a word, for example, paritApamu, which means something like pain/sorrow/anguish, is not done as you said. According to grammar, where we have samāsam concept, paritApamu is split as pari (which is a qualifying particle, conveying emphasis), and tApamu is the root word in the compound (paritApamu), meaning - grief/suffering.
And FYI, Apa (only in Vedic Sanskrit, obscure in Classical Sanskrit) meaning water, doesn't make sense in this context.
You seem to have split words similarly in other krithis as well. Hedrande mig (talk) 19:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When the composite word "paritApamu" is pronounced, as part of the kriti, the word "Apa" is always heard.
This is the concept of a mudra = the embedding of a signature, well known in the kritis, mostly for rAga names and also for places/kSEtras.
The word "Apa" is without question a reference to water.
Similarly the word "samira" (via samira-na) in the jagadAnanda kAraka kriti is a very pointed word/mudra for vAyu/anila/Wind.
The 5 kritis are a composite of the pancha bhUta worship....signaled by the phrase "sakala bhUta mula nivE yundaga".
The deity is found in all the 5 elements...according to tyagarajas worship. He makes a similar reference in the dwaitamu sukhama kriti, found in the V. raghavan textbook I have referenced.
The deities pervasive nature in all the elements that make up the known, material universe is the key aspect of the pancha bhuta puja.
The reason the relationships are given as these EMBEDDED mudras (intertwined words hidden within) is that the deity is itself embedded/hidden in all the 5 elements, intertwined with all existence...which is tyagarajas thesis.
The reason this has eluded the musicians is because the focus of the music has long ago shifted from the words and spiritual content to the musical notes, in an effort to preserve the melody, but diluting the original intent.
But without the words, their embedded mudras and their ideas/worship, there is no true kriti.
Has anyone EVER asked why there are specifically ONLY 5 kritis in this particular set ? Why not 6 ? Why not 3 ?
No !
The pancha ratna of tyagaraja are unquestionably held together as a composite group of 5 by the embedded pancha bhUta worship.
Wiki or other repositories should point this out, in my opinion. The Spiritual Heritage of tyagaraja demands acknowledgement and understanding of his worship..not merely his musical skill. NadOpAsaka (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia isn't a showcase for editors' individual reasoning, a forum for them to publish their own impressions or realizations. See WP:OR, WP:SYNTH. Wikipedia summarizes what's been pointed out elsewhere, by reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 20:21, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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